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		<title>By: Legal Education at the Crossroads Assessment Conference Resources &#171; Legal Informatics Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legal Education at the Crossroads Assessment Conference Resources &#171; Legal Informatics Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The ABA Student Learning Outcomes Subcommittee&#8217;s draft of the revised ABA &#8220;300&#8243; Standards, from the ABA Standards for the Approval of Law Schools, is available, as presented by President Steve Bahls (see President Bahls&#8217;s presentation here) (HT Vice President Rensberger); [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The ABA Student Learning Outcomes Subcommittee&#8217;s draft of the revised ABA &#8220;300&#8243; Standards, from the ABA Standards for the Approval of Law Schools, is available, as presented by President Steve Bahls (see President Bahls&#8217;s presentation here) (HT Vice President Rensberger); [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
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		<description>Did Bahls say something in the presentation to lead you to the interpretation in your final paragraph about a requirement that multiple assessments be taken during individual courses?

I&#039;m not seeing that in my reading of the proposed standards.  The phrase &quot;throughout the course of the students&#039; studies&quot; seems to refer to the entire course of study through law school, not to individual courses.  The examples of internal assessment measures given in the interpretation seem to be pretty typical law school stuff.

Maybe the word &quot;variety&quot; might produce the need for changes at some schools.  It is hard to tell from the interpretations what that means.  Most law schools already employ a &quot;variety&quot; if you compare final exams with measures used in skills classes and seminar classes (final papers, etc.).

Your quoted portion appears to have been adapted from standards used by colleges of pharmacy.  Maybe the phrase has a specific meaning in that field that leads to a conclusion that law schools would have to drastically change their internal assessment methods.

The two aspects that stood out to me as potentially big changes were the possible use of the words &quot;require&quot; and &quot;every&quot; in 302(c) and the use of external assessment measures beyond bar passage (job placement, etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Bahls say something in the presentation to lead you to the interpretation in your final paragraph about a requirement that multiple assessments be taken during individual courses?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not seeing that in my reading of the proposed standards.  The phrase &#8220;throughout the course of the students&#8217; studies&#8221; seems to refer to the entire course of study through law school, not to individual courses.  The examples of internal assessment measures given in the interpretation seem to be pretty typical law school stuff.</p>
<p>Maybe the word &#8220;variety&#8221; might produce the need for changes at some schools.  It is hard to tell from the interpretations what that means.  Most law schools already employ a &#8220;variety&#8221; if you compare final exams with measures used in skills classes and seminar classes (final papers, etc.).</p>
<p>Your quoted portion appears to have been adapted from standards used by colleges of pharmacy.  Maybe the phrase has a specific meaning in that field that leads to a conclusion that law schools would have to drastically change their internal assessment methods.</p>
<p>The two aspects that stood out to me as potentially big changes were the possible use of the words &#8220;require&#8221; and &#8220;every&#8221; in 302(c) and the use of external assessment measures beyond bar passage (job placement, etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Research Instruction: Recent Developments « Legal Informatics Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legal Research Instruction: Recent Developments « Legal Informatics Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Subcommittee&#8217;s September 3, 2009 draft of the revised 300 Standards is available here. (HT Vice President Rensberger.) In July and August 2009 a task force of the AALL Academic Law Libraries Special Interest Section [...]</description>
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