{"id":218,"date":"2009-10-02T16:34:12","date_gmt":"2009-10-02T22:34:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/uberlaw.net\/LawNumbers\/?p=218"},"modified":"2009-10-02T17:05:46","modified_gmt":"2009-10-02T23:05:46","slug":"flat-demand-and-more-law-schools","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/uberlaw.net\/LawNumbers\/2009\/10\/02\/flat-demand-and-more-law-schools\/","title":{"rendered":"Flat Demand and More Law Schools"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: left;\">In <a href=\"http:\/\/uberlaw.net\/LawNumbers\/2009\/09\/24\/do-we-need-more-law-schools\/\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Do We Need More Law Schools<\/em>,<\/a>\u00a0I commented on the number of new law schools that have been in the works. In that post, I used the number of JDs granted per year, largely as a matter of convenience. But what about the demand for law school itself&#8211;the number of persons interested in going to law school. Several commenters suggested that the proper measure is the demand for lawyers, especially by firms that employ lawyers. While employment opportunities, and starting salaries, are a major factor affecting the demand for legal education, it is not the sole factor.\u00a0\u00a0 Whatever the underlying causes, the demand for legal education says something about the need for more law schools (as opposed to more lawyers).<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-220\" title=\"ABA Law Schools, Applications and Admissions\" src=\"http:\/\/uberlaw.net\/LawNumbers\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/10\/ABA.2000.2008.2.jpg\" alt=\"ABA Law Schools, Applications and Admissions\" width=\"400\" height=\"296\" srcset=\"https:\/\/uberlaw.net\/LawNumbers\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/10\/ABA.2000.2008.2.jpg 400w, https:\/\/uberlaw.net\/LawNumbers\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/10\/ABA.2000.2008.2-300x222.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">The above chart uses information drawn from the current (as of October 2, 2009) \u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/members.lsac.org\/Public\/MainPage.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fPrivate%2fMainPage2.aspx\" target=\"_blank\">LSAC Volume Summary<\/a>\u00a0(under the &#8220;Data&#8221; section).\u00a0 For the Fall 2000 entering classes, 74,600 persons applied, of which 50,300 (67%) were admitted.\u00a0 For Fall 2008, 83,400 persons applied, of which 55,300 (67%) were admitted.\u00a0 From Fall 2000 through Fall 2004, the number of applicants increased to 100,600, of which 55,900 (56%) were admitted.\u00a0 From Fall 2004 through Fall 2008, the number of applicants fell by 17,200 persons (17%), but the number of persons admitted fell by 400 (less than one percent).\u00a0 During that same period, the number of law schools increased by 9%, from 183 to 199.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">But compare that with the number of applicants for Fall 1991 through Fall 1995 (estimated by combining data from the applications per applicant chart in the LSAC\u00a0report, <a href=\"http:\/\/lsacnet.lsac.org\/data\/National-Applicant-trends-2008.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">National Applicant Trends&#8211;2008,<\/a>\u00a0with\u00a0Table 1 in Charles Longley, <a href=\"http:\/\/lsacnet.lsac.org\/research\/rr\/Law-School-Admission-Assessing-Effect-of-Application-Volume.pdf\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Law School Admissions, 1985 to 1995, Assessing the Effect of Application Volume<\/em> (1998) (LSAC Research Report Series, No. RR-97-02)<\/a>).\u00a0 The estimated number of ABA applicants to fell from a high of 86,700 for Fall 1992 (176 schools) to 72,800 for Fall 1995 (179 schools).\u00a0 Thus, since 1992, the number of applicants has fallen, risen, and fallen again, for a <strong>net loss<\/strong> of 3,300 persons (almost 4%), while the number of ABA law schools has increased by 22 schools (over 12%).\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Because Longley focused on ABA applications and admissions, rather than persons admitted, I do no not have the numbers of the number of persons admitted.\u00a0\u00a0As shown in the ABA&#8217;s table, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.abanet.org\/legaled\/statistics\/charts\/stats%20-%201.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Enrollment, and Degrees Awarded,<\/a>\u00a0first-year enrollments have \u00a0seen some dips since Fall 1991 (44,050), but have increased to 49,414 in Fall 2008 (an increase of \u00a012%).\u00a0 That tracks the JDs awarded by ABA law schools (see the chart in <a href=\"http:\/\/uberlaw.net\/LawNumbers\/2009\/09\/24\/do-we-need-more-law-schools\/\" target=\"_blank\">Do We Need More Law Schools?<\/a>).\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">So we have more law schools chasing the same number of applicants, but enrolling more students.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t think the increased competition\u00a0 has hurt the elite law schools.\u00a0 That means that the rest the law schools, particular those in <em>U.S. News<\/em> Tier 4, have more competition for students, and will have to dip deeper into the applicant pool.\u00a0 For a law school, lower academic credentials tend to translate into lower Bar passage rates, especially in high cut-score states, such as California.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">So, if you concluded from my earlier post that, as a professor at a Tier 4 school, I\u00a0<em>must<\/em> be in favor of more law schools, you were wrong.\u00a0 Apparently, the numbers <em>do not<\/em> speak for themselves, so let me be clear:<\/p>\n<blockquote style=\"text-align: left;\"><p>Flat Demand + More Law Schools = Trouble<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That said, since Fall 2003, law schools have held the number of admitted applicants relatively flat, and even cut the numbers somewhat.\u00a0 Yet enrollments have still gone up.\u00a0 That&#8217;s because more of the admitted applicants are choosing to go to law school.\u00a0 For Fall 2003,\u00a048,900 out of 56,800 admitted persons (86%) actually enrolled, while, for Fall 2008, 49,414 out of 55,500 (89%) enrolled (LSAC Volume Summary).<\/p>\n<p>Gary Rosin<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In Do We Need More Law Schools,\u00a0I commented on the number of new law schools that have been in the works. In that post, I used the number of JDs granted per year, largely as a matter of convenience. 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