{"id":266,"date":"2010-01-18T17:02:26","date_gmt":"2010-01-18T23:02:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/uberlaw.net\/LawNumbers\/?p=266"},"modified":"2010-01-18T17:16:42","modified_gmt":"2010-01-18T23:16:42","slug":"law-school-debt-loads","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/uberlaw.net\/LawNumbers\/2010\/01\/18\/law-school-debt-loads\/","title":{"rendered":"Law-School Debt Loads"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In her article, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.insidehighered.com\/news\/2010\/01\/18\/rules\" target=\"_blank\">Linking Debt and Income<\/a>,&#8221; Inside Higher Ed, January 18, 2010, Jennifer Epstein reports that the U.S. Department of Education recently proposed that <em>vocational and for-profit colleges<\/em> meet minimum standards for debt-to-income ratios for recent graduates.\u00a0 The average debt repayment could be no more than <em>eight percent (8%) of expected earnings in the field.<\/em>\u00a0 The <em>presumptive<\/em> expected earnings would be the 25th percentile of incomes in the field for which they had been trained.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>How would that work for law schools?\u00a0 Going to law school is expensive, and often financed with debt.\u00a0 The <a href=\"http:\/\/lssse.iub.edu\/pdf\/LSSSE_Annual_Report_2009_forWeb.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">2009 Survey Results<\/a> of the Law School Survey of Student Engagement tells us that 29% of the students surveyed expected to graduate with law-school related debt of at <em>least $120,000.\u00a0<\/em>\u00a0 The following chart from page 14 of the <em>2009 Annual Survey<\/em> of law students shows the law-school debt levels expected by current law students.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/uberlaw.net\/LawNumbers\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/LSSSE.LawSchoolDebt.jpg\"><em><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Expected law-School Debt, 2007-2009\" src=\"http:\/\/uberlaw.net\/LawNumbers\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/LSSSE.LawSchoolDebt-228x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"228\" height=\"300\" \/><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>According to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bls.gov\/oes\/oes_dl.htm#2008\" target=\"_blank\">May 2008 Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates<\/a> of the Bureau of Labor Statistics (National Cross-Industry Estimates [<a href=\"ftp:\/\/ftp.bls.gov\/pub\/special.requests\/oes\/oesm08nat.zip\" target=\"_blank\">.zip file<\/a>]) the 25th percentile of annual income for lawyers\u00a0was just under\u00a0$75,000.\u00a0 That would make the maximum annual payment just under $6,000.\u00a0 Assuming a modest ten percent (10%) interest rate,* <em>the maximum average school debt would be just over $45,000.<\/em>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>But over two-thirds of students surveyed in 2009 by LSSSE expect to graduate with law school debt of $60,000 or higher.\u00a0 According to Epstein, schools that don&#8217;t meet the eight percent (8%) of presumptive earnings could show<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>actual-median earnings to average-debt ratios of 8% or below,<\/li>\n<li>a 75% loan repayment rate\u00a0, or<\/li>\n<li>program completion and in-field placement rates of at least 70%.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>The following chart from the National Association of Law Placement shows the distribution of salaries of the Class of 2008:<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_282\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/uberlaw.net\/LawNumbers\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/NALP.2008.Class.Salaries.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-282\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-282\" title=\"Distribution of Salaries, Class of 2008\" src=\"http:\/\/uberlaw.net\/LawNumbers\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/NALP.2008.Class.Salaries-300x230.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"230\" srcset=\"https:\/\/uberlaw.net\/LawNumbers\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/NALP.2008.Class.Salaries-300x230.jpg 300w, https:\/\/uberlaw.net\/LawNumbers\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/NALP.2008.Class.Salaries.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-282\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Class of 2008, Distribution of Salaries (NALP)<\/p><\/div>\n<p>The overall median of $72,000 is just under the May 2008 25th percentile of lawyer salaries ($75,000), so\u00a0there is no wiggle room there.<\/p>\n<p>Should law schools start reporting salary and debt-load information for its recent graduates?<\/p>\n<p><em>posted by Gary Rosin<\/em><\/p>\n<p>*Interest rates on <em>guaranteed<\/em> student loans in repayment are now about 2.5%.\u00a0 I&#8217;ll have to check on the current average for non-guarnateed loans.\u00a0 In event, current interest rates are abnormally low.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In her article, &#8220;Linking Debt and Income,&#8221; 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